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seaslay 08-01-2010 03:05 PM

"A" list for rubber stamp companies
 
As consumers of rubber stamps it have finally reached a point where someone has to speak up. We all tend to buy more stamps then we need or can afford but isn't there some responsibility of the companies we buy from to have a heart and some ecological consciousness?

With this in mind I have written down some thoughts on the subject and invite comment and new input, such as the companies you think should be on the "A" list.

I think we should craft a declaration of an "A" list of rubber stamp companies that deserve our first consideration in buying their stamps:

The "A" List: is based on:

1. A "choice" of unmounted, cling mounted and wood for the Stamps we want like the company
Impressionm Obsession.
2. Beeswax and StampFrancisco are on the "A" list because they are unmounted and of course have great images.

The "B" list would consist of companies like::
Hero Arts because although they are up and coming with their new cling stamps they reserve some of their nicest stamps such as "silhouette ivy" and "three ferns " for wood only. Kind of weird.

"C" list are companies that are only wood and won't bend on the subject.

It is like the Circle of Trust. The companies that care about our money situation, the excess in mailing charges that are incurred as well by shipping wood stamps are outside our "Circle of Must" as in must have.

freefairies 08-01-2010 07:29 PM

Circle of Trust
 
I totally agree with this assessment. Those of us who try to be environmentally aware; who have too many stamps for their space and who prefer to be able to easily position stamps by seeing through the acrylic mount are being dissed by the companies who refuse to update their policies.

It's a great idea to encourage those of us who really care about these issues to go first to the 'A' list stamp companies when in search of new images. I love Beeswax and Impression Obsession and definitely Zettiology and of course Stamp Francisco. There are so many more too.

Let's hear it for consumer choice and environmental awareness!

seaslay 08-01-2010 07:32 PM

The "A" list of rubber stamp companies.
 
Thanks for concurring with this idea. I agree Zettiology is amoung the "A" list.

Lady Kestrel 08-01-2010 09:03 PM

I prefer wood mounted stamps, and I certainly wouldn't want to see any company black-balled because they offered them. If you prefer unmounted stamps, then by all means buy them, but don't put somebody's livelyhood in jeopardy because you think they should run their business a certain way.

wolfeyesone 08-01-2010 10:08 PM

Everyone is entilted to their own opinion, that being said...

I'm a little confused are you trying to save the trees or just money ?

stampin stacy 08-02-2010 06:38 AM

There is a market for all types, mounted, unmounted, clear and digital. You should not be dictating what the consumer wants, I like what I like and nobody is going to tell me what I want, except me. In such tough economic times companies must diversify and appeal to any & all markets that can get them business.

I'm sorry if you are have purchased too many stamps or are jealous of others who are still buying but you sound like someone who is bored and looking to start something just for the fun of it to me. This is a community of stampers who support each other and are nice to everyone. We do not go around flaming anyone, consumer or vendor.

All of our vendors have been extremely generous to us, sharing their knowledge and experience, participating in the challenges and our virtual conventions. I for one appreciate them and want to take this moment to thank them and tell them they are awesome.

Thank you to all our vendor members, keep doing such a great job of offering a variety of stamp products.

inkkyjo 08-02-2010 09:51 AM

I agree with stamping stacy, lady kestrel and wolfeyesone..I really dont think you should have posted this topic...its not fare to our friends here that are members and are related to some of the companies you have listed...I have gone to both of your profiles and neither of you have friends here..this may be why...try to be more friendly with the folks here..we are really nice and love everyones stamps..everyone needs a job...wheither its clear or rubber....just stamp up , be friendly, and create art.

StamPoor 08-02-2010 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaslay (Post 86316)
As consumers of rubber stamps it have finally reached a point where someone has to speak up. We all tend to buy more stamps then we need or can afford but isn't there some responsibility of the companies we buy from to have a heart and some ecological consciousness?

It is my belief that each of us needs to be personally responsible for our choices. If anyone is buying more stamps than they need or can afford (and many do), they must reset their priorities. Any business, including stamp companies, exists to make money for their owners and employees. It is not their responsibility to help us stay within our budgets and make smart choices and it is not up to any of us to dictate what products a company should or should not carry. That's what free enterprise is all about. Everyone is free to support those companies we feel reflect our point of view and not buy from those which do not meet our standards. If enough people choose not to buy from a company, that company will either change or go out of business. No lists are needed.

I see from your post that you apparently live in Australia and I suspect things cost a great deal more for you because of postage charges. Wood mounts are obviously more expensive than cling mounts and clear stamps, and while I can sympathize, that is simply an unfortunate fact for you. But each of us has those kinds of difficulties to face whether it be about stamps or something else.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:07 PM

A number of members have mis-underheard what I am saying. Of course I feel we should all have the choice of how our stamps are mounted. That being said, I feel that if we want the choice of unmounted it is something a rubber stamp company could make possible. That is clear. Enjoy your wooden stamps by all means. I used to have so few that I loved to see them displayed in my craftroom but that point was reached long ago when it is no longer desirable. Sorry if I touched a raw nerve.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:12 PM

Hello girlfriend, I seem to have been misunderstood about my plea to rubber stamp companies about giving a choice of mounting stamps or not and encouraging others who agree to mount a campaign. You seem to be one of the few who actually understood fully the import of my message. The status quo is not my thing and a big change is needed.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:19 PM

You are certainly correct about postage to Australia being expensive but what you may not know is all wood products are also subject to quarantine because of bugs. But that said I stand firm that it is definitely a companies self-interest to listen to "all" of its customers as to what they would like to see. As my husband just said "vote with your pocketbook".
I do love how much controversy this is generating. Isn't it great we can all say what we feel?

freefairies 08-02-2010 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Kestrel (Post 86345)
I prefer wood mounted stamps, and I certainly wouldn't want to see any company black-balled because they offered them. If you prefer unmounted stamps, then by all means buy them, but don't put somebody's livelyhood in jeopardy because you think they should run their business a certain way.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that companies should not offer wood, just that they give their customers a choice. If you like wood and are willing to go that way, feel free. But I prefer either unmounted that I then mount, or cling mounted. E.G. my absolutely favorite local store here in the Portland area is Peddler's Pack. They sell stamps in cling mount, clear and wood. Where is the financial disincentive for them? They even offer their own line of stamps: both woodmount and clingmount.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:40 PM

I thought I would mention to you that one of the new up and coming stamp companies advertised on this forum has a great site. I just love how it is organized and has unmounteds. Check it out: http://www.scrollswork.com/map.html

freefairies 08-02-2010 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inkkyjo (Post 86395)
I agree with stamping stacy, lady kestrel and wolfeyesone..I really dont think you should have posted this topic...its not fare to our friends here that are members and are related to some of the companies you have listed...I have gone to both of your profiles and neither of you have friends here..this may be why...try to be more friendly with the folks here..we are really nice and love everyones stamps..everyone needs a job...wheither its clear or rubber....just stamp up , be friendly, and create art.

Excuse me. I don't think accusations and unfriendliness make brownie points for anyone. Why are you so angry about this? No one is trying to damage people's business. But it is the American way to let companies know when they are not meeting ALL their consumer's needs.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:48 PM

I too am shocked by the rancor that this simple alternative suggestion should engender. Wether I am shy and have no friends or have many should not make me a social pariah in this forum. I do have a huge amount of Beeswax stamps and they host this site. I think that counts for something.

freefairies 08-02-2010 03:48 PM

Primarily trees and space. When I really can't live without an image I buy it and hope like heck that it will come clean off the wood. (Kudos to Carol at Stampotique who suggested using a microwave to remove the rubber.) I have hundreds of stamps and storage is an issue. This being said, why should I pay for wood I don't want?

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:53 PM

I am sorry you feel the need to project your feelings upon mine. I actually have listened to many of my more artistic stamping sisters who agreed they would love to have a voice in the kind of mounting they choose for their stamps. Many of us are in book arts and use acrylics and various mediums on our stamps. Wood is not a good solution for us.

seaslay 08-02-2010 03:54 PM

Those are pretty strong words for a suggestion to the companies for giving us an alternative such as Beeswax and StampFrancisco. I don't see them going out of business for having such business acumen.

freefairies 08-02-2010 03:57 PM

I absolutely agree there is a market for all types of stamps and systems. Hence the idea of a list of companies that are responsive to all their customers needs. I am currently still buying rubber and am not at all concerned with what other stampers want to buy. I just want to buy the available images I like without having to store heavy wood mounted stamps. I refer you to Tim Holtz who is a doll and he gets it big time. I already purchased many of his stamps when they were only mounted on wood. I love that he now offers rubber on cling mount and even on storage cards. This is what I call a hip responsive designer.

Lady Kestrel 08-02-2010 03:57 PM

Seaslay,
I really don't think we misunderstood. Your first post is very clear. You are recommending sanctions against companies who don't offer what you want. Why don't you try communicating with them instead?

You mentioned environmental concerns, but the manufacturing of synthetic rubber and plastics come from petrochemicals, and those nice acrylic blocks we use for our unmounted stamps are highly toxic to produce. Shall we put those companies who offer colored pencils and paper on the B or C list as well?

Everything we do has an impact, and we have to make environmental choices every day. Using florescent light bulbs uses less energy, but they are more toxic to dispose of than the incandescent ones when they burn out. Using handkerchiefs instead of tissues reduces the impact on trees and our landfills, but washing them uses more energy.

seaslay 08-02-2010 04:04 PM

You make some good points and yes, I have been writing to all the companies I love, to see if they could make these options of unmounted and unmounted cling available. Why should one not be allowed to ask for what they want? Some of you suggest I am jealous, mean, and have no friends. How sad. This is how wars get started.

freefairies 08-02-2010 04:17 PM

To those who have given angry, bitter, personally vindictive responses on this subject, I recommend that you try going to the Gingerwood bulletin board to see the member responses there. They have been pithy, witty and appropriate and mature. They also understood the issue.

Lady Kestrel 08-02-2010 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaslay (Post 86453)
You make some good points and yes, I have been writing to all the companies I love, to see if they could make these options of unmounted and unmounted cling available. Why should one not be allowed to ask for what they want?

You are free to ask and free to chose the vendors who provide what you want. The bone of contention here is your A B C list. If a particular vendor has done well with providing a product and doesn't (or can't) change what they offer, that is their right. If it's not what you prefer, then don't buy from them.

As I said before, I like using wood mounted stamps, but many companies don't offer wood mounts anymore. I patronize the ones that do, but I'm certainly not going to campaign against the ones that don't.

seaslay 08-02-2010 04:21 PM

Dear Freefairies
Your reply gave me new faith in this forum. I used to love Gingerwood when I lived in the USA but sadly we can't access it from Australia. Thanks so much for your helpful and generous imput. Ta

strvingartistmp 08-02-2010 06:38 PM

Hey then we make the A list right? We offer both unmounted and mounted options as well as most collections are available individually and in sets/sheets for even bigger savings :O)

Speaking of Stampotique I LOVE their stamps and have been discussing carrying them. I do wish they would offer them UM or cling mounted. That would be my preference. Are they one of the companies who have inspired your post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by freefairies (Post 86448)
Primarily trees and space. When I really can't live without an image I buy it and hope like heck that it will come clean off the wood. (Kudos to Carol at Stampotique who suggested using a microwave to remove the rubber.) I have hundreds of stamps and storage is an issue. This being said, why should I pay for wood I don't want?


freefairies 08-02-2010 07:29 PM

You do do do make the A list. And yes, it was Stampotique that inspired this thread. I bought the four images I felt I couldn't do without; then I had to dismount them and put them on my own cling mount.

seaslay 08-02-2010 07:29 PM

Absolutely, you make the "A" List. And the you are the first Stamp Company to answer my plea. Stampotique did inspire some of my feelings about this unmounted vs. mounted. My sister has the stamps Prom Queen, Gooseneck, Glimmering Hope and Queen of Life. Several of those are ones I like including Supergirl. Let me know if you ever get them to go with cling or unmounted choice. Love them both. I am very open to where we should put our lists. Any suggestions?

seaslay 08-02-2010 07:30 PM

Poor little fairy person.

freefairies 08-02-2010 07:32 PM

Is it cuz I'm FAT?

freefairies 08-02-2010 07:33 PM

Or cuz I only have one friend?

seaslay 08-02-2010 07:36 PM

Well personally I have nothing against fat friendless unmounted stamp persons. I think we must have way too much time on our hands or maybe unwarranted criticisms brings out our witticisms.

StampinNancy 08-03-2010 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaslay (Post 86316)
As consumers of rubber stamps it have finally reached a point where someone has to speak up. We all tend to buy more stamps then we need or can afford but isn't there some responsibility of the companies we buy from to have a heart and some ecological consciousness?

With this in mind I have written down some thoughts on the subject and invite comment and new input, such as the companies you think should be on the "A" list.

I think we should craft a declaration of an "A" list of rubber stamp companies that deserve our first consideration in buying their stamps:

The "A" List: is based on:

1. A "choice" of unmounted, cling mounted and wood for the Stamps we want like the company
Impressionm Obsession.
2. Beeswax and StampFrancisco are on the "A" list because they are unmounted and of course have great images.

The "B" list would consist of companies like::
Hero Arts because although they are up and coming with their new cling stamps they reserve some of their nicest stamps such as "silhouette ivy" and "three ferns " for wood only. Kind of weird.

"C" list are companies that are only wood and won't bend on the subject.

It is like the Circle of Trust. The companies that care about our money situation, the excess in mailing charges that are incurred as well by shipping wood stamps are outside our "Circle of Must" as in must have.

Would digital stamp companies make the "A+++" list because they use no rubber, wood or polymer?

Elayne 08-03-2010 09:08 AM

I buy whatever stamp I really like, whether its mounted/unmounted/cling..whatever, If I like it ...I buy it.

stampin stacy 08-03-2010 11:36 AM

All the companies who hang out with us here at RSC are A+++++++, IMHO! We are grateful for the variety you all give us to choose from, it is after all the spice of life.

seaslay 08-03-2010 01:19 PM

Digital rubber stamps
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by StampinNancy (Post 86596)
Would digital stamp companies make the "A+++" list because they use no rubber, wood or polymer?

That is an interesting concept. I recently went to Two Peas in a Bucket and purchased some Hero Arts digital stamps. My experience was it is really computer art not rubber stamp art. Not making a judgement just an observation that for me it wasn't as satisfying as using and handling the rubber stamp itself.

seaslay 08-03-2010 01:21 PM

Too right Stampin Stacey. I have found many a stamp company from this forum that have become favorites. It is a wonderful resource.

Stampo 08-03-2010 04:12 PM

I don't see that digital stamps are any more than clip art either and don't see the relevance to stamping... we do offer all our images Mounted, Cushioned on Static Cling or Unmounted FYI.

strvingartistmp 08-03-2010 06:13 PM

I doubt I will make any headway on Stampotique. They seem pretty adamant about doing their stamps in mounted only. When I asked them for reseller information they specifically mentioned they only sell mounted and that so many people ask for unmounteds she wanted to tell me right off the bat that they were only available in mounted. I didn't even ask about unmounted since I knew what they were before I asked.

If it was up to me I would prefer to sell them UM or cling mounted. But it would not deter me from buying them if I liked them. There are thousands of companies out there and the majority of them do sell UM or CM so I think it wouldn't be hard to find other companies to spend your money with :O)

I know you don't personally like wood mounted stamps (and I won't deny I cringe when I hear people unmount their wood mounted stamps) but it is nice to see some stamp companies are holding with the tradition. It is rare to find new start up companies who are wood only. It seems the trend has really shifted to cling mounted or clear stamps.



Quote:

Originally Posted by seaslay (Post 86505)
Absolutely, you make the "A" List. And the you are the first Stamp Company to answer my plea. Stampotique did inspire some of my feelings about this unmounted vs. mounted. My sister has the stamps Prom Queen, Gooseneck, Glimmering Hope and Queen of Life. Several of those are ones I like including Supergirl. Let me know if you ever get them to go with cling or unmounted choice. Love them both. I am very open to where we should put our lists. Any suggestions?


strvingartistmp 08-03-2010 06:39 PM

Digi-stamps
 
Stampo,

As a business owner... I don't think I would ever sell digital stamps. There is too much opportunity for having images go viral. There is no way to protect your copyright and sharing the files among stamp groups and swappers is rampant. I think if you are a company who sells digital art you have to expect that you will lose many more sales than you will gain.

But as a stamper... I confess I do own a few digi stamps, mostly freebies, but I have 2 digi-stamps that I purchased from Mo Manning. I made the decision to buy the digital versions after I had already purchased the clear stamp version. I was expecting the stamps to be a much larger size (especially given the price) and I was so disappointed when I opened my package. I was glad to be able to buy the digital versions and be able to size them any size I want.

I will also say that since I have a business, I have laser printers and a copy machine. I can get waterproof, high quality images and I can run specialty cardstock and paper thru my copier.

People get so hung up on the name of calling them digital stamps but that is what they are named and the name has stuck. I think the original reason they coined that phrase is because there is a "stamp" option on programs like photoshop. I think another reason is to market them to a new audience...the paper crafter. Clip art to me evokes out dated "dover" stock art and gigantic software bundles. I think the digi-stamp peddlers are trying to come off as something new and exciting.

As an artist I can appreciate the pros of digi stamps. I have said it before I have never met a stamp I didn't like. If I like an image I will buy it no matter if it is clear, digital, cling mounted, wood mounted or unmounted. I love to stamp and create and I love all the tools I can use to do so :o)

alma 08-03-2010 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strvingartistmp (Post 86722)
Stampo,

If I like an image I will buy it no matter if it is clear, digital, cling mounted, wood mounted or unmounted. I love to stamp and create and I love all the tools I can use to do so :o)

You are a woman after my own heart, Tracey B.


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